我的義式濃縮有鹹味 -- 請教dino1969大師 - 咖啡討論

By Suhail Hany
at 2007-08-17T23:56
at 2007-08-17T23:56
Table of Contents
: 推 dino1969:請去你常去的店家拜託他為你特別作幾份咖啡 08/17 11:08
: → dino1969:自己定一個時間差可能5秒可能10秒分別嘗試之間的差異 08/17 11:09
: 推 dino1969:你自然會知道不足跟過萃的味道有何分別 08/17 11:13
大師的意思是,萃取不足與過度主要是在時間上的差異嗎?
: → dino1969:嘴砲無益多喝多看才有用用 08/17 11:15
: → dino1969:你能不能分辨一杯義式裡混了多少種豆子 08/17 11:16
: 推 dino1969:如果不能分辨那跟你談風味是否完整的問題根本無意義 08/17 11:32
是啊,是啊,嘴砲無益,
大師教訓的是!
想當初第一次對「完整萃取」這個說詞感到困惑,
大師開頭一句就是:
對「完整萃取」的解釋,除了質疑別人的舌頭之外,
您曾經正面回應過嗎?
這個說詞有其他的立足點嗎?
似是而非的標準竟然可以評斷咖啡的優劣,大師行事果然玄妙之極。
就算劣者能夠分辨一杯義式裡混了多少種豆子,
哪怕只是單品,不同的沖煮或烘焙條件也會產生截然不同的風味,
請問這時該如何定義「完整」?
況且,就算劣者分辨不出生澀味,
不能分辨一杯義式裡混了多少種豆子,
也無法對一個理性客觀、有憑有據的理論造成任何威脅,不是嗎?
所以在下想藉由James Hoffmann的文章,來與大師的論調作連結,
想不到一直到今天,大師始終避重就輕,完全不理會劣者的疑問。
: → dino1969:別亂栽贓我沒提過萃取跟濃度有關 08/17 11:33
大師言重了,劣者豈敢栽贓,
先前的文章從頭到尾用的都是問號,就等大師一一解釋。
萃取和濃度無關?
大師的意思是不同意「單位水裡面取了太多咖啡溶解物質」這樣的說法嗎?
: 推 dino1969:你還是去請教你眼中的高手吧你先前幫戰的店挺不錯的不是 08/17 11:38
: → dino1969:過了一年你還是沒什麼改變嘛 08/17 11:41
就連品客老闆也曾經對在下表示,
咖啡不可能有「完整萃取」的情形啊!
: → dino1969:義式會鹹多少跟萃取的方式有關但是大部分的原因出在豆子 08/17 12:49
: → dino1969:本身可能配方中的一支豆子有鹹味 08/17 12:53
想必大師一定作過無數的測試,
不如在這兒和版眾分享,
是哪一支豆子、或者哪幾支豆子的組合,
在怎樣的烘焙條件下會產生鹹味?
--
: → dino1969:自己定一個時間差可能5秒可能10秒分別嘗試之間的差異 08/17 11:09
: 推 dino1969:你自然會知道不足跟過萃的味道有何分別 08/17 11:13
大師的意思是,萃取不足與過度主要是在時間上的差異嗎?
: → dino1969:嘴砲無益多喝多看才有用用 08/17 11:15
: → dino1969:你能不能分辨一杯義式裡混了多少種豆子 08/17 11:16
: 推 dino1969:如果不能分辨那跟你談風味是否完整的問題根本無意義 08/17 11:32
是啊,是啊,嘴砲無益,
大師教訓的是!
想當初第一次對「完整萃取」這個說詞感到困惑,
大師開頭一句就是:
→ dino1969:哎呀呀....真多店家呀問你一句你喝得出生澀味嗎 04/18 21:16
敢問大師, 對「完整萃取」的解釋,除了質疑別人的舌頭之外,
您曾經正面回應過嗎?
這個說詞有其他的立足點嗎?
似是而非的標準竟然可以評斷咖啡的優劣,大師行事果然玄妙之極。
就算劣者能夠分辨一杯義式裡混了多少種豆子,
哪怕只是單品,不同的沖煮或烘焙條件也會產生截然不同的風味,
請問這時該如何定義「完整」?
況且,就算劣者分辨不出生澀味,
不能分辨一杯義式裡混了多少種豆子,
也無法對一個理性客觀、有憑有據的理論造成任何威脅,不是嗎?
所以在下想藉由James Hoffmann的文章,來與大師的論調作連結,
想不到一直到今天,大師始終避重就輕,完全不理會劣者的疑問。
: → dino1969:別亂栽贓我沒提過萃取跟濃度有關 08/17 11:33
大師言重了,劣者豈敢栽贓,
先前的文章從頭到尾用的都是問號,就等大師一一解釋。
萃取和濃度無關?
大師的意思是不同意「單位水裡面取了太多咖啡溶解物質」這樣的說法嗎?
: 推 dino1969:你還是去請教你眼中的高手吧你先前幫戰的店挺不錯的不是 08/17 11:38
: → dino1969:過了一年你還是沒什麼改變嘛 08/17 11:41
就連品客老闆也曾經對在下表示,
咖啡不可能有「完整萃取」的情形啊!
: → dino1969:義式會鹹多少跟萃取的方式有關但是大部分的原因出在豆子 08/17 12:49
: → dino1969:本身可能配方中的一支豆子有鹹味 08/17 12:53
想必大師一定作過無數的測試,
不如在這兒和版眾分享,
是哪一支豆子、或者哪幾支豆子的組合,
在怎樣的烘焙條件下會產生鹹味?
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