KNCG升級小富士平刀? - 咖啡討論

By Rae
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感謝大家熱心分享, 一一回覆如下:
https://reurl.cc/Lp1ne
參考這篇網站的說法原本有再AmazonGlobal查到黑色小富士平刀, 想說可以送台灣
後來大大告知後去登入台灣地址, 購物車顯示無法配送...所以目前還是不行送台灣!
其實我原本是想直上EK43, 也去猿田彥參考過大小, 但老婆覺得太大極力反對...
Forte BG我有參考過01上砸魚大的文章
我最擔心的就是他的電子螢幕, 畢竟多了一個壞掉的風險...
(PS.這讓我想起奪魂鋸的John說過"越是厲害的遊戲就越簡單"...)
此外砸魚大後來好像因為太吵還有會過熱(一次磨半磅)的原因把他賣掉了
依我的狀況而言可能要找到同時有Ek&小富士及Forte&小富士的專烘淺焙豆店家
用Kono濾杯並都用點滴法比較才能真正解答究竟哪台值得的問題
我有在猿田彥還有這個月南港的咖啡展試過Ek沖出來的咖啡
只能說感想是烘焙的差異大大於磨豆機的差別
(我覺得我用KNCG磨的淺焙比猿田彥EK磨的肯亞好喝啦...不過應該是個人口味問題)
有機會我會再去找一家有Forte的店家比較, 感謝Rice大提供我另一個選擇
看完提摩太大大的測試結果, 7成的情況是Kono版>富士版
對我而言這個差異很顯著耶! 當然"深焙差異比較明顯"可能會把這個差異再打個折
不過看大大的用字感覺上是默認Kono表現優於富士才會有"七次中五"的說法?
另外大大的小富士平刀非Kono版但也有三顆螺絲囉!
其實我一開始也是認為Kono=中深焙醇厚的咖啡
有了Kono濾杯後,買過18包不同的淺焙(不同店家, 但有寫淺焙的都算)豆子測試
(最貴的包含1/4磅900的藝妓, 但以藝妓而言也還好就是~)
Kono 都是88-90度水溫, KNCG 刻度4.5-5, 24g沖出2杯水量, 點滴法
V60 則是88-94度水溫, KNCG 刻度3.5-4, 15g沖出200ml水量, 悶蒸1.5-2倍水量
到微微塌陷or滿30秒, 然後中心小圈蓋粉牆
有時不斷水/有時斷水/有時後面大水/有時候接中心注水...
總之10次中有8次Kono勝, 會輸的都是幾乎都是豆子焙得太深所以Kono的雜味較多
(這種在點滴階段的時候大多會注意到舒芙蕾膨的太好, 然後我用Kalita 155測試
也是覺得比較像中焙以上的咖啡)
我對每包豆子的沖法也會進行微調, 味道太清淡的就磨細/升溫/點滴或小水階段拉長...
就是要努力弄出自己喜歡的味道啦!
我同意大大的說法, 所以才想問擁有過的買家是否有差
老婆說依我的個性, 若少花這些錢買富士版
到時候一定會每天在那妄想Kono版比較好, 然後後悔, 最後可能還是出掉再重買QQ
因為下一台磨豆機可能要等以後有機會搬家才會買Ek43 (可能再弄台義式玩XD)
目前Amazon和樂天好像都沒有Kono版的小富士, 可能接下來會寫Email給
"珈琲サイフォン株式会社"問看看能否寄到日本旅館或是調貨到明年去玩的附近店家了
最後還是謝謝上面各位大大熱心的經驗分享!
--
推 yukiyin2: Amazon可以寄台灣嗎?之前試好像不行 11/30 00:26
https://reurl.cc/Lp1ne
參考這篇網站的說法原本有再AmazonGlobal查到黑色小富士平刀, 想說可以送台灣
後來大大告知後去登入台灣地址, 購物車顯示無法配送...所以目前還是不行送台灣!
推 riceangel: 尊重原波的選擇,但原波真的要花近二萬塊去買一個簡單 11/30 00:28
→ riceangel: 直落粉設計的磨豆機嗎?除了牌子、磨豆機的功率、刀盤 11/30 00:29
→ riceangel: 等 找家有forte出杯或Ek出杯的店家喝喝看 畢竟2萬塊也 11/30 00:31
→ riceangel: 可以喝1百多杯的精品咖啡 11/30 00:32
其實我原本是想直上EK43, 也去猿田彥參考過大小, 但老婆覺得太大極力反對...
Forte BG我有參考過01上砸魚大的文章
我最擔心的就是他的電子螢幕, 畢竟多了一個壞掉的風險...
(PS.這讓我想起奪魂鋸的John說過"越是厲害的遊戲就越簡單"...)
此外砸魚大後來好像因為太吵還有會過熱(一次磨半磅)的原因把他賣掉了
依我的狀況而言可能要找到同時有Ek&小富士及Forte&小富士的專烘淺焙豆店家
用Kono濾杯並都用點滴法比較才能真正解答究竟哪台值得的問題
我有在猿田彥還有這個月南港的咖啡展試過Ek沖出來的咖啡
只能說感想是烘焙的差異大大於磨豆機的差別
(我覺得我用KNCG磨的淺焙比猿田彥EK磨的肯亞好喝啦...不過應該是個人口味問題)
有機會我會再去找一家有Forte的店家比較, 感謝Rice大提供我另一個選擇
→ timothy0212: 我個人和朋友測過過,Kono版的味道層次會比較清晰, 11/30 00:33
→ timothy0212: 但實際上盲測即便在只有兩台磨豆機的情況下也盲測的 11/30 00:33
→ timothy0212: 準確率也只有七次中五,而且深焙的差異才會比較明顯 11/30 00:33
→ timothy0212: ;然後我手上的小富士平刀也是三顆螺絲鎖的...是從 11/30 00:33
看完提摩太大大的測試結果, 7成的情況是Kono版>富士版
對我而言這個差異很顯著耶! 當然"深焙差異比較明顯"可能會把這個差異再打個折
不過看大大的用字感覺上是默認Kono表現優於富士才會有"七次中五"的說法?
另外大大的小富士平刀非Kono版但也有三顆螺絲囉!
→ riceangel: 當然 刀盤品質有差,所以建議原波喝喝有forte 的店家 11/30 00:34
→ timothy0212: 日本帶回來的,可以先寫信跟日本店家確認,就不怕白 11/30 00:34
→ timothy0212: 跑一趟 11/30 00:34
→ riceangel: 而且自己覺得kono的設計是for中深焙 拿來沖淺焙 許多沖 11/30 00:38
→ riceangel: 煮環節可能要去思考調整的 11/30 00:38
其實我一開始也是認為Kono=中深焙醇厚的咖啡
有了Kono濾杯後,買過18包不同的淺焙(不同店家, 但有寫淺焙的都算)豆子測試
(最貴的包含1/4磅900的藝妓, 但以藝妓而言也還好就是~)
Kono 都是88-90度水溫, KNCG 刻度4.5-5, 24g沖出2杯水量, 點滴法
V60 則是88-94度水溫, KNCG 刻度3.5-4, 15g沖出200ml水量, 悶蒸1.5-2倍水量
到微微塌陷or滿30秒, 然後中心小圈蓋粉牆
有時不斷水/有時斷水/有時後面大水/有時候接中心注水...
總之10次中有8次Kono勝, 會輸的都是幾乎都是豆子焙得太深所以Kono的雜味較多
(這種在點滴階段的時候大多會注意到舒芙蕾膨的太好, 然後我用Kalita 155測試
也是覺得比較像中焙以上的咖啡)
我對每包豆子的沖法也會進行微調, 味道太清淡的就磨細/升溫/點滴或小水階段拉長...
就是要努力弄出自己喜歡的味道啦!
→ riceangel: 贊同t大從日本帶回來 去除最貴的 都要等真的不急於一 11/30 00:41
→ riceangel: 時 11/30 00:41
推 photoless: 廠商其實也不會跟你講太多 不然他就不用賣了 即使長得 11/30 05:01
→ photoless: 一樣 刀盤或許也有材質上的差異 不計較這些的話 其實多 11/30 05:01
→ photoless: 數人買富士平刀而已 11/30 05:02
我同意大大的說法, 所以才想問擁有過的買家是否有差
老婆說依我的個性, 若少花這些錢買富士版
到時候一定會每天在那妄想Kono版比較好, 然後後悔, 最後可能還是出掉再重買QQ
因為下一台磨豆機可能要等以後有機會搬家才會買Ek43 (可能再弄台義式玩XD)
目前Amazon和樂天好像都沒有Kono版的小富士, 可能接下來會寫Email給
"珈琲サイフォン株式会社"問看看能否寄到日本旅館或是調貨到明年去玩的附近店家了
最後還是謝謝上面各位大大熱心的經驗分享!
--
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